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Steve — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:13:12 -0000

Gary, I've seen this happen too many times. Somebody posts something about anything Mac-related, and the site gets swarmed through MacSurfer. Naturally, the results are both surprising and rather unfavorable in the end since it results in a "religious" war. Sorry, but just take solace in the fact that it really has nothing to do with you.

My eMac is cool, but I can't upgrade it.
My ThinkPad works well, but it's ugly inside and out.

I want to stop wanting new computers.

I suppose I should be thankful I don't have this problem with women.

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Pete — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:00:10 -0000

LOL. This is hilarious.

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Geof — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:56:12 -0000

Jesus Christ.

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Clue Giver — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:01:06 -0000

Man aren't we all sick and tired of hearing moronic articles from butt wads like Gary. Hey Gary stop fucking whining and go do a virus scan on your Windows shit box. There is no point correcting these ass holes they are either incapable of learning or too stupid to learn, in any case it isn't worth any effort.

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Jose L. Hales-Garcia — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:39:06 -0000

Gary was quoted as saying:
"They need to get off their high horse about how superior the Mac OS is. It was superior"

I think you're overreacting to the marketing hype which all companies do.

If you're into programming, science, and digital lifestyle applications then you will find Mac OS X is perfect. It can't be more simply put: it has the power of UNIX and the ease of Macintosh.

The abilities in Mac OS X are far ahead of anything Windows can do. Here's one example of something you can only do in Mac OS X...
http://www.wired.com/news/t...

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Neal — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:01:13 -0000

Gary, you'll have to forgive your readers for coming to the conclusion that you are somewhat dim-witted when you state that your #2 reason for not wanting to buy a Mac is "The mouse has only one button." and then you point out that you already have in your posession the mouse of your dreams, a five-button mouse which is comatible with any Mac you might choose to buy. Heck, if you bought a Mac Mini, you couldn't even complain that you were being stuck with a useless one-button mouse, since it doesn't come with a mouse. In other words, your #2 reason for not wanting to buy a Mac is nonsensical.

Neal.

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turboparrot — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:06:01 -0000

"Oh. My. Frickin. God."

What, aren't we all "friends" here?

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turboparrot — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:01:24 -0000

"The only thing Iâ€™m really amazed by is that within a matter of hours, somehow, the issue of menu bars on the Mac OS, of all possible things, has generated more traffic than this site has ever seen." â€” Gary

That's exactly what I mean. The internet is a wide open forum. Throw your somewhat weak (by your own words) opinion out there and watch what happens.

Mac users may be guilty of being overzealous, however they are sincere.

As far as your original posting. Why did you feel you needed to express it? What did you mean by "I want to want one"? I assume that there must some appeal for you. What was it?

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Geof — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:41:24 -0000

Oh. My. Frickin. God.

I now actively don't ever want a Mac. I now, in fact, actively hope that Bill Gates buys Apple just to kill it.

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redobsess — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:56:27 -0000

Hey Gary,
I found your link via Macsurfer - how/why it got posted there, can't say, but at least that answers where some of the posters might be coming from.
I'm a mac zealot myself, but I don't take too kindly to other mac users who feel the need to abuse someone because of their opinion. However, it should be noted that most mac users are mac users by choice - they've used PCs, and for one reason or another have chosen macs. Almost unanimously, we've decided "macs are better." We come to that conclusion understanding BOTH sides of the platform wars. Heck, most of us still HAVE to use PCs in the workplace (I do, I work for a school district - 85% mac, the rest PC). If I had to support strictly PCs, I'd run to my nearest University and re-enroll for a new major, like maybe pottery.
Anyway, the biggest thing I've learned from all the hostilities that stem from the PC vs. Mac debate is that it's never clearly stated that using a mac is DIFFERENT than using a PC. Yes, some things just don't work the way you'd expect them to after being a long-time PC user. The reason why the mac platform induces such zealotry is that when you do finally learn and understand the processes of using a mac, you can really, really, feel how much better it is. It makes a person wonder how they could ever have done it another why - or even more, why in the world isn't it this easy in Windows?

Sorry for the long rambling post, but if you ever truly decide to try a mac (the mini is a great start) to be honest with yourself, you'll need to "forget" how it's done on a PC and take the time to "discover" the mac way of doing it. It's a great reward.

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Electric Monk — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:44:24 -0000

Flicking a mouse to the top is faster then moving it to the top of the window. You don't have to think about moving to the top of the screen, you do have to think about moving to the top of the window unless it is full screen.

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Harley Paul — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:41:10 -0000

It amazes me to ever hear anyone complain about Apple's use of a single menu bar at the top of the screen. It is a work of genius, and was only not duplicated by Microsoft as to avoid an obvious look and feel lawsuit against them. Most if not all interface people agree that it is far superior to the confusion of the attached to each window mess that Windows had to go with.
Sheesh!

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Gary Arndt — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:25:29 -0000

No I haven't.

Two seconds on Google got me:

Fitts's Law: The time to acquire a target is a function of the distance to and size of the target.

Which seems reasonable enough.

Question: If I'm doing something with my mouse in a window, wouldn't to top of the window be closer than the top of the screen?

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AJB — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:18:19 -0000

I guess you never heard of Fits law.

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Gary Arndt — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:08:01 -0000

What is there to stink about it? Its a preference. About half of the stuff posted here has absolutly nothing to do with what I said in my orignial post. How can "menu bar on top" or "menu bar in the window" be right or wrong?

I can care less if people agree or disagree with me on the subject of menu bars. It has to be close to the top of trivial issues to get in a huff about.

The only thing I'm really amazed by is that within a matter of hours, somehow, the issue of menu bars on the Mac OS, of all possible things, has generated more traiffic than this site has ever seen.

In a very weak way I grant, my original post was sort of a "good job Apple" post, and people are posting stuff about how "all PC users are brainless idiots".

In the end, I just want to know how this link got out :)

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Sean — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:04:47 -0000

You, uh, see what I mean about the Mac faithful being creepy?

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turboparrot — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:56:44 -0000

Insecure?

What a strange thing to say. Gary â€¦ you posted your opinion.

Opinions are like Belly Buttons. Everyone has one and sometimes the stink. Like Belly Buttons, opinions are not very useful. Sure they once had a purpose, but that was long ago.

Now that everyone can show their Belly Buttons so easily we see them for what they are â€¦ ugly swirls of non-intelligent matter that never comes to a point. People even put shiny objects them to attract others but in the end, when you get to close â€¦ you can still smell them.

Anyone can attract others to read their personal opinion. It's so easy. But don't be suprised when they get close and tell you it stinks.

That's the one thing I despise about blogs. Many bloggers don't seem to realize that they need to be professional when posting an article or in handling rejections of the stated opinion.

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mike3k — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:38:46 -0000

I forgot to mention, you can tell what application you're currently running by looking at the name in the menu bar. To see what applications are running, just look at the dock.

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mike3k — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:37:26 -0000

The menubar at the top of the screen is one of the Mac's biggest advantages. You always know exactly where it is without having to hunt for it, and because it's in a consistant location, you can find it easily with the mouse without even having to look. Because it's at the top of the screen, if you just bring the mouse as far up as it will go, it will stop in the menu bar, which is a lot faster than having to see where the window is and thinking about where the menu is and moving the mouse to that spot with more precision than simply bringing it up to the top.

As for the mouse. I never use Apple mice. I wouldn't even consider using a mouse without a scroll wheel, and preferrably additional buttons besides the two standard ones. Fortunately, any standard USB and most Bluetooth mice you can buy will work on a Mac.

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Gary Arndt — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:51:12 -0000

"Probably close to 100% of Windows users make every window full screen size"

No they don't. I never do that.

1) Where did you people get a link to this?

2) Why are you so insecure? Its a freaking opearing system. Its not religion. Jesus, I'm not even defending windows. All I said was that I like having the menu bar on each window. I don't know of anyone that maximized all their windows. I have 2 monitors, one of which is 22". Why the hell would I want to do that? The only time I've ever maximized a window is if I want more room to read or type something.

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Harvey Marcus — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:42:10 -0000

97% (or so) of computer users have to deal with it, but how do you know any percentage of them LIKE it? Probably close to 100% of Windows users make every window full screen size, but how many would PREFER to have overlapping windows for simpler COPY and PASTE? And, close to 100% of Windows users have to battle some combination of viruses, adware, spyware, and other malware. Becasue of that high statistic, should all other computer users be doomed to the same fate? Numbers are anything you want to make of them. GIve me a consistent user interface so that the WORK, not the TOOL, is my focus.

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turboparrot — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:20:00 -0000

Sorry. I made a typo â€¦

"Why? IMHO â€¦ Itâ€™s because they have never put their customers first, ahead of their large profits margins. They easily could have provided their customers with the latest and greatest interface but instead choose to serve themselves a larger piece of the pie."

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turboparrot — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:16:05 -0000

I want to want a BMW â€¦ but alas â€¦ they're out of my price range. However I don't want them to change they're design approach. I like BMWs because they well-built and well thought-out.

If you want one â€¦ do what it takes!

Buy the Mac Mini â€¦ it's inexpensive!
Attach your Microsoft Mouse â€¦ it just works!
Adjust your approach â€¦ Command-Tab to see active apps or use Expose to see all available open files or just take a look at the Dock â€¦ it's your choice!

Choice is what it's all about.

One more thing. Ponder this thought: My does Microsoft with all of it's vast resources not have an Absolutely Killer Operating System. They should, if they could, stomp all over Mac OS X. But they don't. At best the are equal to Mac OS X.

Why? IMHP â€¦ It's because they have never put their customers first, ahead of their large profits margins. They easily could have provided their customers with the latest and greatest interface but instead choose to serve themselves a larger piece of the pie.

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Trotskiii — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:51:33 -0000

OMG

I've finally come to the conclusion that there are only two people (maybe Paul Thurrot and Bill Palmer?) using the internet who admit to actually liking PeeCees/Windoze and that they are probably the source for all the lame articles spreading the same disinformation about expense, one button mice (FFS the mac has been able to use mice with more than one button for at least 7 years!) and claiming that all mac users are baby eating zealots.

Its either that, or all PC users are brainless idiots - That can't be right can it?

Heh

Trotskiii

BTW I havent eaten a baby in like - ages!

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Gary Arndt — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:41:22 -0000

I like menu bars in the window. Personal preference.

97% of computer users are used to it.

It should be an option is all I'm saying. Have a switch where you could toggle it on and off, then everyone is happy.